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July 13, 2007


Ten Mile

Not that I do not agree some of your points, outside the director fellow, I have some experience with American Health Care.

I have seen families divorce so the system will handle the costs of child delivery; farmers and others give their house or farm away so the system will cover the costs of terminal disease; and in one case, heard a doctor tell a patient with cancer to do such so the system will cover the costs.

I'm not altogether sure that it is the system making the costs so high to a single individual. I'm not blaming illegals, lawyers, law suits, insurance companies, drug companies or people like the pregnant ones divorcing to beat the costs. I can, however, see not blaming the system entire.

Shamefully, I can not suggest a solution either.

The Missus

I do blame the current system. It's a crap system. If people could be covered, then they wouldn't have to pull out all kinds of "sneaky" things just to get their health issues taken care of.

Thank God Emily and Fiona are okay!

The WordSlinger

I spent five years as an Analyst at the largest health insurer in the nation and I left because each day I felt that I was part of the problem. It is shameful and immoral that our system of health care is based upon profit from the treatment of disease instead of promoting health through proactive means and healthier lifestyles.

Its' fucking shameful and you're spot on in this post.


Speaking as someone who is your friend (though I am) - ignore that.

Yes, I studied health care for four years in college.

Yes, I work in healthcare reimbursement right now.

Yes, it was the exact moment when Hillary Clinton's plan went before U.S. Congress and they tore it down - and I became a lifelong Federal Democrat.

Tore it down!! Does anybody on this forum even remember this? Yeah. That's right - because that's right before you all glommed onto the recent bandwagon to hate Bush ( or the Republican Party or whatever)

See, BEFORE the Congressional Republicans running for the second Clinton midterm office (before Moveon.org existed) promised not to impeach Clinton (do your research folks) - and lied - they did it anyway, there were Republicans slamming Hillary's ideas in public forum. Yes. Making her look stupid. And do you know how? They had this Republican-guy (I saw the C-SPAN) holding up this dictionary-thick book at the podium of the US Congress and shaking it to the camera. "Look at the size of this book!" shouted the outraged Republican congressman. They had guys cringing at "how complicated" this new system would be. What a beauracracy. What Red Tape! Oh the Humanity!

What a joke.

I read Medicare Regulations all day. Do you want to know how many dictionaries that would fit into? Or thick the Private insurance stuff I get at my desk drawer everyday amounts to? And some guy in Congress is able to LIFT Hillary's plan into his hands and complain? That's a gift, man. If he were lifting all of Medicare's regulations, his slimy, filthy Republican, misleading body would be smooshed into the pavement.

I am not afraid of, and never had been afraid of, socialized healthcare. My job, as a healthcare payment analyst-of-sorts, is going nowhere if healthcare were private or socialized. If anything, I need help. Less beuaracracy.

As I was in college, and remain so today, I am a fan of social health care. Don't fool yourself. Despite all my jokes and kidding at your expense, I don't enjoy the current situation either. We're going to go bankrupt on the current system if something isn't fixed soon. Kind of like how Bush ran 3 private corporations into the ground before he became President. And now somebody tell me again - as many did back then - (as I was the only one MAD in 2000! without any bloggers running these types of sites) that Bush and Gore were essentially the same? Does anyone remember that election? Does anyone remember when 9/11 happened and thinking, "Thank God Bush is President and not Al Gore!" Screw that! Screw you all forever!!! Thanks for being mad now. Too late.

In closing - yes, socialized medicine is the best policy. Feel free to ask me whatever else I believed in 10 PLUS years ago at my email address.


Hi. This is Brian again. I was just rereading what I posted a couple days ago and realize that I may have come off sounding kind of angry. Yeesh! Sorry about that. I was *really* hungry at the time and was waiting for a pizza to be delivered.

Dave G

Update - George Bush is all set to veto the Insurance for Children legislation:

That's a big win for people who don't want to see this country's eight million uninsured children get access to medical care.

This president is, without a doubt, the worst in our nation's history.

Dave G

Michael Moore on the issue:

"I have to admit, though, I do feel kinda bad taking it all out on Wolf Blitzer. It's not like he's the official representative of the mainstream media. I mean, he's from Buffalo, for crying out loud! He said to me at the end of the show last week to please come back on "anytime you want." I will take him up on that offer and appear again with him tomorrow (Wednesday). I'm not expecting a dozen roses or make-up sex -- I only want a promise that there will be no more distorted distractions so we can have a decent discussion about the REAL issues like why 18,000 Americans die every year because they don't have a health insurance card. More than 300 of them died this week. As Ehrlichman said to Nixon in "Sicko": "The less care they give 'em, the more money they (the insurance companies) make."

THAT'S the only thing we should be talking about. How profit and greed are killing our fellow Americans. How profit and private insurance have to be removed from our health care system. CNN should join me in asking why our 9/11 rescue workers aren't receiving medical care. Somebody should send a crew to Canada to find out why they live longer than we do, and why no Canadian has ever gone bankrupt because of medical bills.

And all of the media should start saying how much it costs to go to a doctor in these other top industrialized countries: Nothing. Zip. It's FREE. Don't patronize Americans by saying, "Well, it's not free -- they pay for it with taxes!" Yes, we know that. Just like we know that we drive down a city street for FREE -- even though we paid for that street with our taxes. The street is FREE, the book at the library is FREE, if your house catches on fire, the fire department will come and put it out for FREE, and if someone snatches your purse, the police officer will chase down the culprit and bring your purse back to you -- AND HE WON'T CHARGE YOU A DIME FROM THAT PURSE!

These are all free services, collectively socialized and paid for with our tax dollars. To argue that health care -- a life and death issue for many -- should not be considered in the same league is ludicrous and archaic. And trust me, once you add up what you pay for out-of-pocket in premiums, deductibles, co-pays, overpriced medicines, and treatments that aren't covered (not to mention all the other things we pay for like college education, day care and other services that many countries provide for at little or no cost), we, as Americans, are paying far more than the Canadians or Brits or French are paying in taxes. We just don't call these things taxes, but that's exactly what they are."

- from his newsletter


You touched a point that is too seldom mentioned on the helthcare debate: socialized medicine is simple. There are no forms to send and re-send, no paper for the doctor to sign, no fear of not being reimbursed. You go to the hospital, you get the treatment and you're home free. Your health is enough to worry about.

The US spends 15% of its GDP on health and Canada, 10%. Who says competition drives the cost down on this issue?

I can't start to say how much I'm annoyed at the US debate on healthcare. I think it's a symptom of a much larger problem in the US political debate.


By the way, I really like this page.

Totally my aesthetics and I like the short, well-written bio.

I'm sure you would love "Beautiful Evidence" by Edward Tufte. It's where "PowerPoint is evil" comes from.


So glad everything ended up being okay...and so glad I'm not in charge of healthcare reform.

Dave G

Mozza - just so happens I am also a Tufte fan, although I have not read "Beautiful Evidence" yet :-)

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